Angel Ramirez-Jordan has a discussion with 2 Black men that are known to be very critical of Black women. The Angryman & Minister Jap.
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Can Angel Ramirez-Jordan have a discussion with The Angryman and Minister Jap (2 men that are known to be critical of Black women) without having an argument, without screaming and shouting each other?
Is it possible to have different views and still be respectful?
When Most people think of “Angel Ramirez-Jordan” or IKYG (I Know Your Game) they think of Black power, consciousness, education and most importantly of all uplifting Black women in a society that seems hellbent on tearing Black women down.
So why on Earth would Angel Ramirez-Jordan entertain the idea of a conversation with 2 men like Minister Jap or The Angryman? Especially if it appears that our views are very different?
Understanding
I believe in understanding where people are coming from. I also believe in trying to understand people’s reasons for their beliefs or tactics, especially when it comes to the Black community.
What if through an open dialogue with myself these two men could change their views or even the way they address and deal with Black women? Isn’t that worth a try? Ultimately isn’t it all about unity within the Black community? These 2 men told me that they wanted to see good things for Black women. That took me by surprise. So I thought maybe they have good intentions, but maybe it’s their execution that’s the problem.
When this livestream first happened I lost a lot of supporters. They were angry at me for giving these men a platform.
“Angel Ramirez-Jordan is a sell-out”
“I can’t believe Angel Ramirez-Jordan supports Black men that bash Black women”.
I have never in my life supported any men that bash Black women. So I urge you to watch this short teaser of my discussion with The Angryman and Minister Jap. Then decide for yourself if I support Black men that bash Black women, or if this was a constructive dialogue.
Did I get through to any of them? Did I make them think? Or was it a waste of my time?
Angel you did great. Thank you for addressing this
Angry man:👉🏿 Black people have a hard time with reality
Minister Jap: 👉🏿Everything I say is practical
😡 Angry Man & Minister Jap have strongly assimilated to white supremacists men with anti-Black and anti-Black women ideologies.
Their energy is combative to Black Women. All Black women, including dead ones
These guys, Minister Jap and The Angryman, act as if they were gods, but they don’t even behave like adults.
I thought they were going to start talking about how their penises were the cure of cancer, you know? just like teenage boys.
Angel you were great!
This isn’t the full video, so I wanted to reserve judgment, but I think that I can at least say this: I definitely think that both of them should really listen to what Angel is saying. Black women have been spoken to and treated in very dehumanizing ways. So when it comes to critiquing black women, I absolutely think that positive reinforcement is the way to go since black women have had so much of the opposite already. No offense to the two of them, but I’ve noticed that a lot of black men will dish out the criticisms, but are unable to absorb any themselves.
I went to some of their youtube videos and looked in the comments: it’s mostly black men in those comments saying degrading things toward black women and/or promoting swirling. If that’s the kind of people they have filling their comments section, they definitely need to change how they’re conveying their message. Especially since these two men insist that they mean well and that they have good intentions. This is why I don’t like the “conscious” community and why I am very selective on who I watch; there are too many people out here thinking that they’re wise. It’s very easy to tell by looking at their mannerisms and listening to the way they talk.
One last thing, in another video, I think Angryman said that he has a black wife, but having a black wife doesn’t mean that you’re incapable of critiquing black women in a way that is degrading, just like how having a black friend doesn’t make a white person incapable of being racist.
Yes I agree
These brothers need to listen to Angel instead of being prideful, shouting and cussing black women or our people is not going to help but make things worse. By no means we should correct our people, but we should do it in a way that they feel as if they are the first one of doing something silly, black elders and leaders should be calm and ready to use wisdom like how Angel does. I’m 18 years old and that is how it’s not done, in fact, this is one of the reasons black women no longer date nice black men or teens like me but go to white dudes very sad.
Why curse her out though? Have a discussion with her, but to talk to her disrespectfully is wrong. Be assertive not aggressive. When you speak aggressively the message gets lost, time is wasted, and no lesson is learned. cursing someone out and belittling them is verbal abuse. No one has the right to disrespect someone with their words. Words are lost in translation with aggression.